Tune-o-matic vs Roller
Back in 2009, I described my frustration with the Tune-o-matic bridge on my Epiphone Riviera P93. The retainer wire that holds the saddle screws in place is just a terrible design. A good choice to address this issue is the Nashville style tune-o-matic which has individual saddle retainer clips, while also increasing saddle-adjustment range for intonation. Another good possibility is a roller bridge, like the Wilkinson B33. I figured the roller may pair well with the Bigsby, possibly improving the Bigsby vibrato’s general tuning instability.
In this video, I show how to swap in the Wilkinson bridge, and then do a series of comparisons to see if there’s any difference in the overall tone, sustain, and tuning stability with the two bridges.
I recorded many many takes of the strum-tests comparing tone and sustain, and my results were always pretty inconsistent. Despite my best efforts, it’s impossible to produce the exact same string excitation for each strum. So, I think the variances in sustain and tone are largely insignificant- though it does appear that, across all my tests, the roller may have slightly longer sustain times. I imagine that if I replace the Epiphone bridge posts with the beefier Wilkinson posts there may be a greater sustain improvement, but I’ll leave that for another day.
The tuner I use during the tuning stability section is the excellent Planet Waves Tru-Strobe (PW-CT-11) tuner. Update: this tuner doesn’t seem to be available anymore, but the Peterson Strobostomp looks like an excellent alternative.
nipotui
May 15, 2012 @ 10:02 am
Hello there! Great video.
It sounds to me from the sample comparisons like the sustain of the rolling saddles is higher on short notes, and maybe lower in the “long run”. That’s a very desirable effect in my opinion.
Thanks for another great video!
Cheers
shango02005
May 15, 2012 @ 10:05 am
I love your videos! They are always very interesting!
sjcronchi
May 15, 2012 @ 1:08 pm
john, you are always on the run!!!!! Great video!!!!! Best regards!
doyengicp
May 15, 2012 @ 1:20 pm
i think the best advantage of the roller vs TOM will be string lifespan.
These TOM tend to cut the strings when worn, so, with a bigsby behind it, call it wire-cutter 🙂
And as you said, its much more comfortable than the sharp saddles of the TOM.
John
May 15, 2012 @ 3:23 pm
Good point about string longevity!
threeleafflutes
May 15, 2012 @ 4:09 pm
Thanks. It’s so nice to have a review of guitar gear that is done using sound experimental methods. I can watch this video and walk away w/o too many questions or none at all about the two bridges. I really appreaciate your scientific approach and methodology.
Thanks again.
rayjaysonic
May 23, 2012 @ 10:04 am
Nice video. I have been thinking about putting a roller on my Epiphone SG as I have installed a Bigsby B5 to it. This was a big help in my decision making process, thank you.
BertisEvil66
May 30, 2012 @ 1:58 pm
very good vid. thanks very much !!!
Andriy Fedorov
June 17, 2012 @ 9:48 pm
Hi John,
Have you tried lubricating guitar nut and bridge saddles with graphite? Regular graphite pencil will do the job.
Andriy.
John
June 18, 2012 @ 3:46 pm
Yes, I talk about that at 8:45 in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDSBQnl8txw#t=8m45s
John
Chuck
June 25, 2012 @ 10:56 pm
OK, I am officially going to unleash you on my Starfire III to make it the best it can be. Of course that means you need to figure out how to re-glue the neck but I’m sure you are up for it.
John
June 28, 2012 @ 7:35 am
Hey Chuck,
We’ll see- I’ll take a look but I may not have the necessary tooling and expertise to fix that neck. When strung up, the neck has hundreds of pounds of force acting on it. Probably makes sense to go see a good luthier. I’ll give you a couple phone numbers 🙂
-John
sarinapaparone
June 29, 2012 @ 4:08 am
Great video. Thanks for posting.
MrScatalog
July 4, 2012 @ 3:51 am
I have this bridge and love it. Intonating it was not as big a deal because I just slightly nudged the string out of the way and was able to loosen and tighten the screw. I never had to lift it off of the saddle at all. Something that makes this bridge a HUGE upgrade is how it can make a guitar that just can’t be intonated finally be able to intonate. WORD of caution: if your bridge is already close to the body, this bridge might not work, it is taller than a normal TOM…I had to mod my guitar
raggityman
July 10, 2012 @ 1:48 am
Very good thorough demonstration!
JuneInMay
July 21, 2012 @ 8:24 pm
How about the sound? I’m so seek of constantly rattling of this guitar and considering the same bridge as you, Wilkinson roller bridge.
I just have changed to genuine Gibson TOM and the result was awesome! No rattle sound!
Disconnected5
August 13, 2012 @ 4:43 pm
I have intonation issues with the standard TOM on my Epiphone Dot, Does the Wilkinson Roller Bridge have more “play” when moving the saddles forward or backward, than the standard TOM?
John
August 13, 2012 @ 8:32 pm
Yes it does.
Disconnected5
August 15, 2012 @ 3:25 pm
Okay, thank you so much. I just ordered one of these bridges and hope to get it here in the next couple of days.
theamericanmetalhead
August 18, 2012 @ 11:24 am
yyour voice is calm as hell lol
guitargspusi
September 3, 2012 @ 1:25 am
Hi, what is this software you’re using for the intonation check?
John
September 3, 2012 @ 9:32 pm
You mean the visualizations during the sustain timings? I was using Wavelab’s spectroscope and VU meter windows.
heinz1959
September 16, 2012 @ 12:44 pm
Hi John.
Great info. I can also recommend a Schaller STMC (or Schaller STMG for gold hardware). With that bridge you can also move strings sideways – just in case the string spacing seems quirky. I’m using the STMC with a Epiphone Dot. Seems to sound better than the TOM – and strings seem to be softer than before 🙂
John
September 17, 2012 @ 10:47 pm
Thanks for the info. The adjustable string spacing is nice.
I just bought a gotoh bridge and tailpiece to try out on my Lea Paul. Will be interesting to see if there’s any more difference than with the wilkinson roller vs TOM…
John
VictoryGuitarShop
September 21, 2012 @ 1:25 pm
Great video, I am returning my Schaller and Goldben age roller bridges back to StewMac and putting in the original tune-o-matic.
guitar5054
October 1, 2012 @ 8:44 am
Great video’s. I watched all the electronic upgrades, and soldering video’s too. Great tutorials John.
MY QUESTION: Would the Wilkerson Roller Bridge be an effective upgrade on a non-vibrato Epiphone L.P. also?
Thanks,
Paul
John Cooper
October 2, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
Yes it would been ok, but if there’s no vibrato, the roller seems less useful. I’d be more likely to install a nashville or the gotoh 1511.
alsamuef
October 6, 2012 @ 4:48 pm
Of course, that and that you never pull up and bend a string. Rollers with a wraparound combo are the way to go even without vibrato
alsamuef
October 6, 2012 @ 6:11 pm
I forgot, tuning . With a roller, you get less friction while tuning.
rkdodz
October 31, 2012 @ 8:00 pm
I’m planning on getting a bigsby for my epiphone goth sg. What should i get? a B5? B7? do I need a roller bridge?
John
November 2, 2012 @ 8:51 am
On a flattop like the SG, you can use either B5 or B7. On an archtop, you can’t use the B5. Roller bridge is not required, but you may prefer it. Inexpensive and easy to try, as you can see in this video.
littlejon64
November 10, 2012 @ 10:43 am
I just purchased a Fender HH and am putting on a bigsby with a vibramate no drill system I am looking to buy one of those roller bridges to fit it where did you get yours
Thanks
John
John
November 13, 2012 @ 11:13 am
I purchased it at guitarfetish (“Wilkinson Brass Roller Bridge- Locking studs- GOLD”, item id B33)
Mad Dek
November 20, 2012 @ 8:03 am
I’m in the process of building my own guitar. I’ll be cutting out the body myself, and i’ll be slapping a B-5 with a roller bridge on there.. It’s gonna be interresting to see how well it intonates from the start O.o
John
November 22, 2012 @ 9:23 pm
Sounds like a fun project- have fun!
David Miller
January 5, 2013 @ 5:24 am
Great vid, I’ve just bought another fixed bridge guitar, I never use floyd rose or bigsby’s, I do have a few strats, but I have added extra springs to lock the bridge back.
Anyhow, I dont feel comfortable with tune-o-matic bridges, I palm mute ALOT and I hate the saddles sticking in to my palm, so I’m gonna replace the bridge with a wilkinson roller, just for comfort.
I was just wondering, did you find you had to alter the bridge hight when you switched? Did you have to alter the action at all?
John
January 6, 2013 @ 9:42 pm
I was able to get the action pretty much right back where it was- and it’s definitely more comfortable than the TOM.
Matt R
January 9, 2013 @ 12:26 pm
Hi John
That’s a pretty comprehensive review, great work!
I’m just now fitting a Wigsby (Wilkinson tremolo) to a new Gibson SG Faded Special. I also have the Wilkinson roller bridge which will be going on there.
However! Just for people’s information:
The roller bridge will NOT fit directly onto the original Gibson bridge posts. The original posts are too thick by about 1.5mm. It means I’ll have to drill the roller bridge – as I don’t fancy ripping the Gibsons out. I don’t have tools.
Cheers
M
John
January 9, 2013 @ 12:57 pm
Thanks for the Info, Matt. Guessing that’s an Epi vs Gibson (import vs USA) difference with the tune-o-matic posts? Or perhaps its Nashville vs standard TOM. Are your posts not screwed into a standard bushing? Generally, it’s easy to just leave the bushings in, but unscrew the posts and replace them.
Matt R
January 9, 2013 @ 1:14 pm
Hi John
The Gibson bushing is actually too SMALL (!) for the Wilko posts to screw into. Way too small. I’m sorry, I can’t measure them for you now. It’s my first non-Fender, so I’m afraid I don’t know what standard or Nashville sizes are. Whichever one it is, the Wilko post into Gibson bushing isn’t compatible, nor is the Wilko bridge onto the Gibby post. Phew! Hope that made sense! Prepositions!
Hey. Your vids are great. Love that Epiphone.
BR from Helsinki
John
January 9, 2013 @ 2:11 pm
Made sense! Well- good thing the Wilkinson roller is so cheap- not much to worry if you screw up with the drilling. 🙂
Vladmir
April 16, 2013 @ 10:50 am
Hi jhon, i have a guitar ESP EC500 anniversary model in LTD line: http://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/matos/dyn/large/ltd-ec-500_2.jpg
Mi problem is the cutting or breaking of the 5th and 6th string just over the bridge, this happens occasionally, correct TOM bridge with sandpaper and lasts a long time, approximately 4 months. This is also for my style of playing the guitar that is violent (metal, hardcore, grindcore), I imagine that this bridge is the solution to this problem. one vital question, this bridge is the extent of my ESP LTD can be installed?. thank you very much, a friendly greeting: Vladimir////// sorry for my English…
John
April 16, 2013 @ 11:04 am
The roller may help you with string breakage at the bridge – I’m not sure.
You can see this bridge here:
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Wilkinson-Brass-Roller-Bridge-Locking-studs-GOLD_p_868.html
The post spacing is 74mm.
Good luck!
John
Vladmir
April 16, 2013 @ 11:42 am
Thank you very much John, I will see the steps and then I commented as I was. Greetings: Vladimir from CHILE South America
WARR138
April 27, 2013 @ 7:44 am
A well thought out and executed demo. Your spectrograph-over time display was really useful. I agree it’s very difficult to draw a useful conclusion since you can’t really perfectly match the strum each time. I have a Gibson ES-335 with a Nashville TOM and Bigsby that is simply unbearable to keep in tune. If I bend a note or look at the Bigsby it goes out of tune. I’ve decided to fit it with a TonePros Roller bridge. I am hoping I will see more dramatic positive results.
JokerRocker Leonardi
May 2, 2013 @ 4:03 am
Amazing Video .. .so helpful 🙂
Ricardo Méndez
May 12, 2013 @ 9:46 pm
Such a nice review. I’m having the same problem with the wire of the tune-o-matic on my Epiphone Casino, and maybe the roller saddles are the perfect solution. I found on ebay another kind of roller saddles in wich you can change the entonation just like the tune-o-matics, you might want to check them out.
Cheers.
John
May 14, 2013 @ 8:24 am
Thanks for the tip- those Tune-O-Matic style roller bridges look nice, but I haven’t tried them. Adjusting these Wilkinson saddles is a little fiddly, but it works alright, and it has good intonation range.
Fox Fuzzbox
May 27, 2013 @ 7:31 am
Very well made demonstration video. Thanks!
Fox Fuzzbox
May 27, 2013 @ 7:32 am
PS Has anyone here tried the Schaller roller bridge?
SzczepsonPepson1
May 31, 2013 @ 4:23 am
and that’s how gear review and tests should be done. good job sir!
Ijustloveguitars
June 19, 2013 @ 5:07 am
Thanks that really helped me out!
danstune
July 3, 2013 @ 1:04 pm
What an excellent demonstration! I have to admit that the intonation process issues made me take notice since I am planning to improve my Riviera, and the Wilkinson was one of the ideas I have considered. I love this guitar and your detailed videos are a great help to your fellow guitarists.
QuickQuips
September 4, 2013 @ 12:38 pm
Great video. Well organized and narrated. Have you gotten locking tuners or a locking nut since installing the bridge?
John
September 10, 2013 @ 9:11 am
No, I haven’t tried that yet. But I’m really enjoying my 18:1 Grover rotomatic locking tuners on my Les Paul. It would be a good upgrade for any guitar.
Mike Bishop
September 16, 2013 @ 2:49 am
Nice information, I recently put a roller bridge on my 355 w/ a Bigsby, it stays in tune much better. You may want to purchase a StringRay to help re-string.
Tom Bower
September 17, 2013 @ 8:41 am
Terrific video. You really took the time and I learned a few things. I came across it because I have an Epi Riviera Custom P93 on order. I like the fact that I can change out the bridge WITHOUT changing the posts. I’m no luthier. I may or may not change the TOM bridge.
David Matney
September 27, 2013 @ 10:20 am
Awesome video man! I just ordered a wilkinson roller bridge for my squier j. Mascis jazzmaster. I hope it will work. Doesnt this bridge come with a few different studs, for use with different guitars?
David Matney
September 27, 2013 @ 10:22 am
Just to clarify the j. Mascis jazzmaster has a tunomatic bridge not the original jazzmaster/jaguar bridge. Awesome guitar for the $ also.
John
September 27, 2013 @ 10:54 am
The Wilkinson roller comes with a pair of studs. I didn’t use them as I was able to use my existing studs.
David Matney
September 27, 2013 @ 11:00 am
The studs that came with the bridge wouldnt thread into the epi’s stud inserts?
John
September 27, 2013 @ 12:21 pm
No, the new stud were much larger. I show them at 2:28. The new stud posts don’t fit into the old stud bushings.
rfelton77
October 15, 2013 @ 4:37 am
i can’t get my riviera intonations set at all. moving the saddle all the way back and all the way forward produces no change.
John
October 16, 2013 @ 11:19 am
Moving the saddle MUST change the intonation of the string. You are shortening/lengthening the string, so it’s impossible that the tuning wouldn’t change. Are you sure you are using an accurate tuner? The change may be subtle, but it’s significant. Compare your open tuning (or harmonic at 12th) with the tuning when fretted at the 12th fret. Adjust the saddle so the tuning is the same.
rfelton77
October 16, 2013 @ 11:50 am
thanks for the help. i noticed the neck was bowed down. once i got it straight then i was able to get the intonations right. i use a planet waves pedal tuner with a strobe function on it. i would get the harmonic on the 12th fret and then press the string down onto the 12th fret and adjusted until both tones were the same.
rfelton77
October 15, 2013 @ 4:39 am
do you know if the gibson dogear covers will fit over the epi dogears? i want to put some cream colored covers on them.
John
October 16, 2013 @ 11:23 am
You need to measure the pole piece spacing and the screw-hole spacing. If your new covers don’t exactly fit, you can always enlarge the holes a bit by drilling the plastic.
stupidusername38
October 25, 2013 @ 2:37 pm
Great video, I can’t see myself buying a roller bridge
Dylan Stringer
November 1, 2013 @ 2:50 pm
Roller Bridges make strings last longer since they’re not like knife edges! ; )
AcousticSerenade1201
January 4, 2014 @ 8:23 am
Mr. Rodgers of sweet guitars
mossopp91
January 19, 2014 @ 11:47 am
So will the wilkinson roller bridge also fit on a epiphone les paul since
that’s a epiphone riviera?
DIYHT
January 22, 2014 @ 10:39 am
John – thank you for your painstaking and scientifically smart tests – much
appreciated.
I have some thoughts – the main reason of tuning changes from vibrato use
seems to be friction and in the case of wound strings the uneven surface
owing to the winding. The mount point will tend to stick between two winds.
I wonder if there is scope for adding some substance to fill the winds at
the rollers or other surface where the string moves over a nut to enable
the string to move more smoothly.
Ideally the whole vibrato mechanism should move back and forth. I am
currently working on a vibrato mechanism on a Burns Split Sound which I
have modified so that this exact moving bridge movement is in operation. It
actually used roller bearings. I am itching to come up with a design that
is more tuning stable. In your experience which is your preferred vibrato
system?
William Glover
January 26, 2014 @ 1:52 pm
Most enjoyable experiment.
sidmalicious
February 23, 2014 @ 6:41 pm
Huh, my roller bridge has the regular saddle screws for intonation.
Michael McConnell
March 10, 2014 @ 10:46 am
A TOM has features that indicate the correct orientation on the guitar with
respect to which side the intonation screws usually go, towards the neck
rather than the tail. But the Roller bridge you have is different. How do
you know which way it goes in, or does it even matter?
bjordan1
March 11, 2014 @ 3:01 pm
Thanks!!
Adam
March 18, 2014 @ 10:56 am
I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews about the rollers and I was just wondering how has it been holding up the last year since you installed it?
I”m thinking about installing one myself, but the reviews online are so mixed. Anyway, thanks for posting this video and I’m looking forward to following your stuff in the future!
John
March 18, 2014 @ 10:59 am
I haven’t had any issues- but honestly, I haven’t been playing that guitar as much as my Les Paul, so I haven’t really tortured it…
-John
Adam
March 18, 2014 @ 11:04 am
Ah I see. Thanks for the quick reply and again great video.
Bryan Cooper
March 19, 2014 @ 1:47 am
Dude you are awesome.
ThePoopsnak
March 24, 2014 @ 5:49 pm
thanx for the vid……….just bought the epiphone riviera p93…its a
howling ballsy love machine……..found the b33 at guit fetish….stew mac
didnt have them……nor did gc………under 40 w shipping not
bad……..unit looks solid..waiting for it to show up…..couldnt find
alot of units that would work that wur gold thanx again for your helpfull
vid……………..next a set of grover delux tunning machines and im done
mite do the pots with some duncans but thats a future thing………got the
riviera on clearance at guitar center was looking for it and just found
the guitar w a 150 bucks nocked off the price it truly is a brilliant
little secret……..yahoo i winn for once………….
Jammoko
March 31, 2014 @ 7:26 pm
Hey John… great comparison idea, I am wondering weather to change the TOM
saddles for roller saddles on a Guild M75T/Bigsby. Some people say you
sacrifice tone with roller saddles? Subjective and difficult to perceive
me thinks. Oh, would probably have paid for you to use a polytuner like
the Hardwire HT6… you can see all the string tunings at the same time
just by stroking the strings in one sweep 🙂
Great subjects your covering on your vids… “I’ll be back”
Jesse Chunn
April 18, 2014 @ 9:56 pm
Very useful. Not many places to see how a roller bridge may or may not be a
worthwhile upgrade. At least now I have some idea of what to watch for.
Thanks!
Maé Vérilhac
May 13, 2014 @ 3:31 am
Tros CHOU♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥^^
shaqsheep
June 25, 2014 @ 9:22 am
What program do you use for measuring volume and eq? The meter is shown
when plucking the strings?
Ruppster81
July 16, 2014 @ 2:35 am
I freakin hate the tuneomatic bridge, epiphone needs to put these on their
guitars factory, and I have 5 epiphones and all of them are pretty much non
playable because the intonation cannot be adjusted far enough. china junk
Matthew Wenzel
July 22, 2014 @ 7:30 am
Do you know the size of that hex key for the saddle screws? I lost mine…
Seth King
July 27, 2014 @ 5:17 pm
friction is a lot less on roller increasing string life
Simon Tan
September 14, 2014 @ 6:10 am
Hi John thanks for doing this video! Very helpful information!
Question: is the Wilkinson roller bridge able to give a lower action
compared to the stock bridge? In other words did you have to raise the
bridge posts after installing the Wilkinson bridge to get the same action
height? Thanks!
Madmanmoon1000
September 14, 2014 @ 8:29 am
These posts are also known by the names of bushings and anchors. For both
the stop bar and the bridge when you buy them are always included. I
personally prefer to leave the originals that came embedded with the
guitar. No need to scratch or damage that part of the instrument by trying
to pull them out. These parts you buy fit most of the time perfectly with
the anchors you have already there. These roller saddle bridges are the
norm now.
lesterclaypool1
September 17, 2014 @ 12:26 am
ok the bigsby according to what i can tell is 145.00 , the mounting kit ,
another 57,00 and the roller bridge is another 45.00 ,, grand total
247.00 ,,, just go buy the stets bar ,,, it a way way way better deal no
drilling , no routing , and actually works ,,, and mine came in nickel not
cheap chrome , not goofy gold that comes off , and it is real machined
goodness , and it uses ball bearings , and are available for teles . starts
, ;es pauls , sg”s and evenb hard tails ,,, likely the best on the market
right now
AJ Rajan
September 25, 2014 @ 6:16 am
what program were you using for the test?
photoguitarman
October 1, 2014 @ 3:36 pm
tom will eat @ the contact point and compromise integrity and durability…
leaving breakage @ that string point can snap!
Another good point for roller.
They make locking nuts…
why not rolling nuts?
rouelibre1
October 18, 2014 @ 8:23 pm
Amazing! And you do not have to use curse words, blasphemy, say that
anyone else is an idiot or claim that you are 100% right like some Scoth
Groom to make a point? Bravo Man!
johnTdawg
November 2, 2014 @ 12:04 pm
at like 1:46 with the doctor and the 2 kids what’s the name of that anime.
it seems familiar
Cory M
November 10, 2014 @ 7:09 pm
for a guitar nerd/freak like me…you do the best videos in the world!!
steven Torres
November 26, 2014 @ 7:00 pm
Yo mama is so fat that she ate the whole galaxy
Gerald Collatz
November 30, 2014 @ 8:56 am
I got a Mighty Mite BM025C roller bridge, it is a direct replacement for
Epiphone, is available in chrome and gold, the adjustment screws are on the
outside, just like the original Tune-O-Matic and the rollers are captive
(don’t fall out) . Worked perfectly and less trouble with the intonation.
dzarren
December 6, 2014 @ 12:28 am
That’s strange that you had to flip all the saddles like that. Of course
you know that it was set up the way it originally was, because typically,
the lower strings actually need to be longer than the treble strings to
intonate correctly.
Do you know why it was that your guitar is the opposite?
Ken Mickey
December 12, 2014 @ 2:46 am
Well done. Thanks for sharing.
Glenn Stanley
January 8, 2015 @ 7:05 pm
I am strictly coming from an amateur’s perspective:
While I know great fret work, polishing, and a good setup, reduces a lot of
friction. I am very interested in your view on the “roller bridge, roller
nut” subject i.e.; friction reduction, increased sustain and reduced string
breakage. I would think bridge rollers in particular would help all of
these. You seem know your way around a guitar. Thanks for your response.
hlepcic
January 12, 2015 @ 11:16 am
thanks for the very useful video! I “went out on a limb” and ordered one
wilkinson roller bridge since I had problem with string breakage on my
epiphone casino “Lennon inspired”…. now im from Europe, and I think these
are metric system proportions… sooo… ill post you guys how it went…
hopefully fine and dandy 😀
NuZ TheRocker
February 3, 2015 @ 5:27 am
OK, let’s take that bridge.
Thank you. 🙂
Great video.
numrockz
February 6, 2015 @ 3:47 am
was half-expecting them to recreate that madagascar 3 scene during
firework…of course not with animals…with cirque du soleil or something
like that…would have been awesome…
awesome show, though. gotta love the trippy foam mascots, especially the
sharks.
markusheitmann
February 12, 2015 @ 9:13 am
one question, why?! I mean whats the point? Im asking becouse i am going to
get a gibson les paul futura and i was thinking about installing a bigsby
Howard Schwartz
March 19, 2015 @ 12:44 pm
great video thanks!!!!!! im switching the tom on my sg std…. just put
on a vibramate and bigsby and i see that with the tom bridge, the bridge
and posts moves when you use the bigsby not good….
Dave Levine
March 22, 2015 @ 10:25 pm
A string tuned to pitch, the better the transference of energy, the more
you will have sustain loss, since in fact, you can’t ever add sustain but
only take away. Regardless the amount changed in variables on a guitar will
roughly be in nanoseconds and since we don’t strum a note to fade out, the
test is rather silly. As far as string breakage and tuning, the roller
bridge is the way to go and the only thing you should concern yourself
with.
Blake Wallace
March 26, 2015 @ 11:16 pm
Cool video…but GREAT looking watch! That’s not an IWC is it?
Pottery27
March 28, 2015 @ 9:17 pm
My buddy gave me that guitar a year ago! I really love it. I have a 74 Les
Paul custom and Strat but it is really a very nice guitar. Love the P90’s.
Thanks for the tips.
Pottery27
March 28, 2015 @ 9:25 pm
Get a Stringsaver by Vibramate for that Bigsby. Changing strings is so much
easier!
Laila Escobedo
March 29, 2015 @ 1:45 pm
https://twitter.com/Equipo_VerdeFC siganme y los sigo.
Thiago Moraes
March 31, 2015 @ 8:18 am
Show de bola hehehe
Resistência Rio de Janeiro – Zona Oeste
Tudo Azul!
By SABOT4DOR
DrG0nz071
April 15, 2015 @ 11:15 pm
Is it just me, or does it sound WAY brighter with the roller bridge? If I
didn’t know what I was watching here, I would say it was like the
difference between old grungy worn strings and brand new ones.
jun89629
April 22, 2015 @ 5:31 pm
Paul Eady
July 3, 2015 @ 6:35 pm
I have the same exact guitar and I’m modifying the pickup and the bridge as
you did. I figured for five hundred bucks I’d get a beautifully crafted
guitar with a genuine Bigsby on it in a semi hollow body design. The
pickups suck but I never really thought about the bridge until I saw your
video. Somehow I believe that with the roller bridge more string comes
into contact with it as opposed to the tune omatics which should hold
sustain longer. The fact that you seem to like the Rollers over the Tune
O’s is good enough for me. Thanks for the video John!
Guitar George
July 12, 2015 @ 8:04 am
You should try the Babicz FCH! I put one on my Gibson SG and I love it!!!
Bill
November 12, 2015 @ 2:14 pm
Guitar George, do you have a bigsby with your Babicz bridge? I’m thinking about a babicz tunomatic with my bigsby, but concerned about abrasion on the saddles. I assume the babicz will not move with the bigsby. what’s your experience?
Matt Rayner
July 31, 2015 @ 12:19 pm
Hi John
I’ve had one of those on my SG for a few years. It’s got a nice feel on the
hand, as you said.
Just a couple of things..
The saddles slide a heck of a lot easier, when setting the intonation, if
you strip the whole thing down and clean off the machining and chrome burrs
on both the sides and the bottom of each saddle. I used 400. emery paper on
a table and scraped the parts over the flat surface. Also. I did the same
to the bed of the bridge using some jeweler’s diamond files. This again I
finished with 400. grit. To then really smooth it off I used some chrome
polish which contains very fine abrasive. I light touch of grease
everywhere and it’s a keeper. The tuno-o-matic is pretty poor compared to
this and if you use a whammy, as we do, it’s a no-brainer, imho.
Nice Epi, btw!
Regards.
NunyaBuziness
December 31, 2015 @ 4:11 am
I think if any benefits exist for the use of rollers is going to be on a case by case basis. Then again, the type of guitar might also affect things. I have a Strat with a Kahler that has rollers and it’s a really durable and responsive guitar. Then again, this Kahler is a tremolo with a big chunk of metal that has serious weight. But I tried the tunematic roller bridge on 2 other guitars and they sounded so bad with rollers I had to ditch that idea. No tone, no sustain, notes were just so dull and dead sounding. It was as if the strings were being touched to restrict tone from radiating from the guitar. I used a wilkenson and also had a gotoh with rollers that cost $59. SO not worth it when compared to a standard tunematic. String breakage has never been an issue with either. If strings suffer from frequent breakage due to the saddle, then somthing is wrong with the saddle. I have many strings that broke over the roller portion of a bridge too so there’s no over-exaggerated breakage of strings just because I do not use rollers. I had one roller causing breakage alot and my tech actually had to file a small imperfection on that roller and it solved it. I’m sure standard tunematic saddles causing frequent string breakage can be fixed in much the same way. They are not supposed to have any sharp edges via the string groove on the saddle. Just my experience. I know others achieve more positive results with rollers and in those instances, rollers are better. Just not for me
Chris
January 20, 2016 @ 12:14 am
Hi ….thanks for the video…(I’m a huge Bigsby fan…have two teles, a Flying V, an SG, and a Riviera…all with Bigsby vibratos)… I’m totally sold on the idea of a roller bridge now (have a few guitars with Mastery bridges, but they’re pretty spendy, and I’m pretty sure NOT designed to replace a TOM) I just ordered a gold-tone roller bridge for my P93 and a chrome one for my SG Pro…
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